Sunday, 8 November 2009

I know they're short of money...



... but selling ladies at a Friday evening market is taking things too far.

The trade on offer might indeed be fair, but somehow I don't think even the fine evangelical ladies of my local "parish ministry centre" will fetch $160 million ;-)

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sydney Diocese would have to sell its total eQuip women's ministry to fetch anywhere near that amount of money! And throw in Equal but Different as an added bonus!

Lapinbizarre said...

It's not just Jensenites who go in for unfortunate phraseology - Mark Sanford, our world-renowned governor, proclaimed March 6 - 12, 2005, South Carolina "Women in Construction" Week.

Anonymous said...

I was reading about the pro-rape Facebook page setup by St Paul's College students. Is this place formally affiliated with the Anglican Church? That's what the reports sounded like.

Revd Ivan Ackeroff said...

Setting up a brothel in a Calvinst Chapel is DISGUSTING!

Alcibiades said...

Yes - St. Paul's is indeed an Anglican college: the article on the pro-rape Facebook page is here.

None of this should come as a surprise to anyone who's ever lived near one of the "grand old" Sydney University colleges: to be fair the Catholic St. John's and Presbyterian St. Andrew's aren't any better. Nor is the relationship between St. Paul's and Sydney diocese a particularly close one; although many of the St. Paul's neanderthals come from schools where they've received the very best in evangelical youth ministry - and have certainly had a great deal more diocesan energy invested in them than the kids of Kingsdene. And you've only have to have been in a pub and had a group of St. Paul's boys take an interest in the girl you're with to know which group more closely reflect gospel...

Alcibiades said...

... nor am I aware of any Kingsdene student ever bashing someone on account of their sexuality.

Anonymous said...

Indeed the problem at the colleges in endemic and does not respect theological traditions.

I think it would be fair to St Pauls College is connected to the catholic end of the spectrum. (ie The Rev Dr Ivan Head is from Perth.)

St Paul's independence from Sydney Diocese goes back to the establishment of Sydney Uni, and the evangelical Cowpers opposition to a secular-liberal university.

Anonymous said...

That's what happens when male heterosexuality is treated as a privledge. An elitist mentality which has no regard for those who they see as less privledged and/or inferior. It's a mentality that requires cultivating.
Anonymous 2

Alcibiades said...

Good comments from both of you A1 & A2.

I remember hearing both Philip Jensen and Rob Doyle (and they don't come more SydAng than those two ;-) long for a change in Syd Uni college culture, and express their frustration at the way their hands are tied behind their back when it comes to effecting this.

The solution they proposed, however, was the same as their 19th century temperance-movement predecessors: restrict the availability of alcohol (not of itself such a bad thing given the binge drinking) and promote group bible-study with the aim of fostering personal conversion. There was no attempt to address broader systemic values, and in any case many of those values (such as the chauvinism underlying the crass sexual predation) didn't seem to face many challenges within the context of that conversion.

The tragedy from my side of the church is that St. Paul's has never embraced its potential role as an agent of change within the diocese: instead they've served as s stereotypical example of what happens when Puritanism is abandoned.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that puritianism is an imposed process that when removed leaves very few inherent belief and value systems? If so, then puritianism must rely on an extrinsic God as opposed to someone being one in God and vice versa. If that is the case then how can puritianism lead to the eternal salvation that fundamentalists base all their evangelism on? I might be on the wrong track here.
Anon2